Dear Dr. Morozova,
This is in response to your message of July 18, 2011 requesting review and advice regarding this case.
The appearance of the infiltrate in the right upper lobe is consistent with pneumonia due to tuberculosis (TB) or with a non-tuberculous pneumonia. It is difficult to determine if there is adenopathy in the right paratracheal region or the superior right hilar area. Adenopathy would be even more suggestive of TB. The right upper lobe is a common location for TB.
From your description, the child’s symptoms suggest an acute infection rather than TB. However, the radiologic appearance could definitely represent TB.
You have these options:
1. The Ukraine is using the 1991 Technical instructions for TB evaluation. The 1991 Technical Instructions require that, if the CXR is suggestive of tuberculosis, three sputum specimens be obtained for acid-fast bacterial (AFB) smears to evaluate for TB. In a child of this age, gastric aspirates are the method by which to obtain specimens for AFB smears. You should obtain gastric aspirates unless…. (see #2 below)
2. ….based on clinical grounds, you think that the radiologic findings are due to acute disease. In this case, you can wait 6-8 weeks from the start of antibiotic treatment to repeat frontal and lateral chest radiographs in order to evaluate for resolution of the infiltrate. It is important that the non-tuberculous pneumonia treatment not include a fluoroquinolone, as fluoroquinolones are used as second-line TB treatment, and thus could obscure the response. If the adoption timeline does not allow for repeat chest radiographs, three gastric aspirates to evaluate for TB are needed.
3. The 1991 Technical Instructions do not require that TB cultures be performed. However, if you decide to test for TB, and there is a laboratory facility that you trust to perform TB cultures accurately, cultures should ideally be performed. If one or more cultures is positive, drug susceptibility testing should also be performed (may want to consider an IOM lab), to guide individualized treatment.
We hope this information is helpful to you.
If the above information is unclear, please inform us. If we can be of any further assistance, please contact us again.
Sincerely,
CDC QAP
The clinic believes more than likely it is pneumonia but since the CDC sent this letter we have only a few options left.
1.We stay here for 6-8 weeks longer to have a new x ray taken or 2. Allow them to collect sputum samples to test for TB.
We will be wiped out financially with option one. With option 2 it is a risk to Joshua with Down syndrome- to retrieve those samples requires sedation.
With option 1- if after 6-8 weeks there is no improvement then they begin treating for TB which could require 6 months in country. With option 2 we know quicker what we are exactly dealing with and if those come back negative he is allowed to travel. If we wait and it happens to be the small percentage they are talking about- TB then we risk other children in his orphanage whose health may be more compromised.
As you know my sister passed away unexpectedly last night- My mother who has been Jacob's primary caregiver these last few weeks found her body in her apartment. As you can imagine she is not doing too well. If I stay in country and Dave returns to allow him to make money (we are 4 weeks unpaid now) then we still would have issues with watching our other children. If Dave stays in country for 6-8 weeks we will not be able to maintain essentially two households. We are praying for guidance from God to make the correct choice for all of our family. Basically if we allow the sputum tests we are placing our new son's life with doctors in a country we are too unfamiliar with. I can not bear the thought of putting Joshua through this and are unsure if that is the path that we will take. We have spoken with the clinic doctor earlier and she is going to discuss it with her colleagues first thing tomorrow morning at which time we will make the hard choice.
Please pray for us. Please pray for my mom who I love with all my heart and it is killing me not be able to comfort her. Please pray for Jacob who today decided not to eat. I fear that my mom's overwhelming sadness is evident to Jacob that something is not quite right. Please pray for Joshua and that God watches over him. I cry for Dave who today was inconsolable, I cry for my mom who was inconsolable, I cry for my Dad who misses his first born, I cry for my children who are far from me that I am not there to comfort them, I cry for Joshua that this promised life for him has not come to fruition yet, I cry for myself because I miss my sister and because I have no idea what to do for any of them.
I am going to allow anonymous posts with moderator approval because if I get one person posting how Joshua might not be my son when we have to make the biggest decision as his parents for the first time, my head will explode. Thanks for listening and letting me cry... :(
Thank you, Lisa. Thank you for sharing your heart.
ReplyDeleteLisa we are praying for you. I have sent a request to my prayer group for all of your needs. I don't remember where you live but if I could be assistance here in TN with your family, we will gladly do so. Do you mind if I share your blog with my church so they can pray for you and (contribute to your financial needs)? They where a huge blessing to us when we needed to get the funds quickly for our adoption. I am crying with you and wish I could be there with you to give you a hug.
ReplyDeleteHey Lisa, as a former Pediatric ICU nurse, I can tell you gastric aspirates can be obtained with the placement of a ng tube which no one has to be sedated for to place... it's a thin tube they slide up his nostril down the back of his throat and it's done. I've put a million in. If the aspirates have to be done over 3 days then they can just leave the ng in for 3 days(taped securely to his cheek) and draw their tests each day...why do they have to put him to sleep? Don't give up, girlfriend, this might be easier than you think, the testing I mean...I am so sorry you are having to go thru this...msg me on FB if you have any questions at all. Take care and know that this is all going to work out. It's terrible but it is all going to work out.
ReplyDeletePRAYING FOR YOU!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI cannot even imagine what you are going through....but I pray for God's strength to fill you and cover you in HIS peace!
Jodi Lewandoski
adopted Artiom,RR
Oh my gosh, I have no words, I will send prayers up to heaven for you and your family! I am so very, very sorry.
ReplyDeleteKaren
www.foreverfamiliesfororphans.blogspot.com
I am praying. Let me know if there is anything I can do.
ReplyDeleteI am praying for you.
ReplyDeleteAww! I am so sorry that you guys have to walk this path! Continued prayers! {{HUGS}}
ReplyDeleteMy heart is absolutely breaking for you. We will be praying for you!
ReplyDeleteRenee this country is so difficult and we were told by the doctor who will be doing it that this is how it is done in Ukraine, I will ask politely as I fear questioning her might not be good when i am asking her to do this procedure. I don't trust the doctors.. we were told he did not have pneumonia and they would not treat him and when we asked about it we were told that Ukrainian children are automatically hospitalized but my son was now in between so no doctor wants to do it.
ReplyDeletePraying. Hugs.
ReplyDeleteOh, Lisa, I am so sorry to hear all of this. Thinking of you and of your whole family during this time.
ReplyDeleteSo frustrating, I'm thinking of a good next move...I'm off to ask some question of a few folks I know...Maybe with all of our heads put together we can figure something out. Know that I am covering y'all in prayer... God is in this, He is.
ReplyDeletePraying from Elk Grove, CA.
ReplyDeletePraying like CRAZY!!!! You are in all of our Thoughts and PRAYERS!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteMy prayers are with you during this most difficult time. May God comfort you as only He can and help you to make such difficult decisions. I am so sorry for the loss of your sister and for the difficulties you are facing regarding your new little boy. God Bless your family!!!
ReplyDeleteI have said a prayer to St. Jude (patron saint of desperate causes) and St. Rita (patron saint of impossible cases) to intercede on your behalf! Please know that you are touching the hearts and minds of many people who are inspired and encouraged by your sacrifices for your son! I pray you are able to bring him home soon and enjoy the fruits of your trials. I also pray for the soul of your sister. Pax tecum!
ReplyDeleteI am so sorry. I cannot believe what is going on. You are in my thoughts as well as your family and sister.
ReplyDeleteOh my heart is aching for your entire family. You have been on my mind the past couple of days.
ReplyDeletePraying for resolution, peace, and for you to know that you're being wrapped in prayers here in the United STates.
Lisa, I can not imagine the pain you are dealing with. I would absolutely be crying too. God will guide you. Lord, please be with Lisa & Dave. Touch little Joshua and make him well so they can come home to the rest of their family for comfort & peace. Amen. Hugs & many prayers!! Mel
ReplyDeletePraying for you. So sorry you are going through this.
ReplyDeleteLisa my heart goes out to you and we are praying so hard for you all! We love you all!!!!
ReplyDeletePraying for you and your family....
ReplyDeleteWe just recently brought home our daughter from U and the very same thing could have happened to us. I have a couple of suggestions regarding having the cultures done on Joshua in U. First of all, what has your congressman been able to accomplish with the embassy in U. as far as allowing another clinic to evaluate Joshua? In my opinion and having personally experienced the clinc you are using, I'd push your congressman to help you be allowed to use another clinic for the culture sampling. If it is necessary to get your pediatrician or an international adoption clinic to provide proof that it is unsafe for Joshua to be sedated for the procedure, let me know and I can do whatever it takes to take care of that for you from here. There are private clinics using Western Medicine and doctors in Kiev (many with advanced technology as they are preparing for the 2012 Euro Cup). Treatment may be more expensive, but if it would prevent Joshua from being sedated, it would be worth it. Also, I would try to get in touch with Karen, a missionary who is in Kiev and has many connections there and speaks both languages fluently. I know that if there is something she can do to help you, she will. She has helped many other adopting families. Here is the link for Karen's profile (her email addy can be found there) http://www.blogger.com/profile/13510392530348283147 and also a link for clinics recommended for Americans traveling in Ukraine http://www.kievconnections.com/doctors_kiev.htm I know that the Lord will intervene on your behalf! Do not give up fighting! God is stronger than any of the enemies attacking you right now! Praying fervently for you and your family! Corrie 4miraclesandcounting.blogspot.com
ReplyDeleteI pray for you and your family. I pray God will comfort all of you during this very difficult time. I pray that He will clearly lead you in making this difficult decision. May God bless you all.
ReplyDeleteI have posted a link on my fb and will be blogging, too. Praying for you as these decisions are made. I pray that the Lord will show Himself mighty and move mountains for Joshua. whom He loves even more than you do. He knew this would be happening and has provided the way of escape, so trust in Him!
ReplyDeleteWhat to say in a time like this? No words. Prayers, hugs and the donation I can give today. Your son(s) is/are lucky to have you.
ReplyDeletePraying so much for you. Your family has such a special place in my heart since it was through the initial fundraiser for Joshua (before you all found him) that my husband and I decided to pursue adoption as well.
ReplyDeleteWe lived overseas in a 3rd world country in Asia for many years with our two biological children who were then 2 and 4 years old. We had chest xrays at a local hospital due to a bad cough and everyone insisted that it was TB. Then we saw a pediatric pulminologist and had the correct TB tests done and they thankfully just had a case of pneumonia that cleared up with antibiotics. The pulinologist told me then that chest xrays on children are very hard to read. I am praying that it is this simple for you all.
Praying that God will bless you financially so that you are not so burdened with this on top of everything else.
Hang in there!!
Still praying, Lisa! Believing for Joshua's total healing in Jesus' name.
ReplyDeleteOMG Lisa, I don't know what to say because my mouth is just hanging open, so I'm just going to pray. I cannot believe this.
ReplyDeleteKeeping your whole family in my prayers. My heart goes out to your parents. It's just too much. Praying that God shows you a clear and true path, one that leads you to a peaceful decision.
Found you through the Spitz's blog and just wanted to let you know that we are praying for all of you!
ReplyDeletePraying for you all Lisa
ReplyDeleteI am so sad for you. I hope and pray you make the right decisions on what to do now.
ReplyDeleteSo sorry for all of this Lisa. My heart is breaking for you and your family. I can't imagine how awful this is for you. I wish we could all do something. I'll be saying many, many prayers for you all.
ReplyDeleteOh my heart hurts- I am praying for you guys, and I wil ask Lily's readers to pray too!
ReplyDeleteI read about your family on another RR family blog. I am praying for your family. I am so sorry. Sending hugs and deepest prayers that this will be resolved and you will ALL be home soon. My deepest condolences regarding your sister. E. Shelton - North Carolina
ReplyDeleteLord,
ReplyDeleteThe one you love is hurting. Please heal this baby boy and allow them to come home with him, healthy and happy. Bring peace to the entire family. Be with the parents as they bury their child. Give them peace that passes all understanding and allow them to know she is with You. Bring this family financial blessings and give them a clear sense of direction as they have to make some tough decisions for their son. I pray that no matter what they decide to do that you would bless them and their decision. I pray that peoples hearts would be softened and they would be met with only compassion and understanding. I pray that they would remember that the battle is not with flesh alone and that because they entered into a covenant with you that the outcome will be good because you are on their side and You always win. I pray that all these things that are bad right now you would turn to good. I thank you for this family and their willingness to follow Your plan no matter what the cost. Bless them, hold them, give them strength and let them know you are there with them.In Jesus name Amen.
I am so sorry all this is coming at once. Praying for you all. Be blessed
Ashlee
First off, big hugs to you! I know what it feels like to have everything rain down you on once, and not small things BIG things. I had some similar things happen last year to me and I'm so glad that you are trusting in God because he will guide you and heal you. I am not familiar with adoption yet, but I was wondering if you could petition to adopt him first, or bring him to the states to do the procedure. I'm just wondering if there is some sort of petition, or addendum or loop hole for you to ensure Joshua's safety? I will pray for you and your sweet family. I'm so so sorry.
ReplyDeleteYou poor momma. I can only pray.
ReplyDeleteCarla
www.bringinghenryhome.blogspot.com
I'm so very sorry. I'm praying!!!
ReplyDeleteLisa,
ReplyDeleteMy heart is breaking for you. We are praying for you and your family!! Praying God gives you and your husband the right decision to make as his parents, because no matter what anyone says that's what you are. Praying for comfort for your family and God's hand in each situation.
hugs hugs hugs xxx
ReplyDeletePraying for you and your family.
ReplyDeletePraying for your family. I am so sorry for your loss and for your poor son. May God comfort you during this most difficult time.
ReplyDeletePrayers for all of you during this difficult time, up to the heavens from Ohio.
ReplyDeleteSending many prayers your way... I have blogged, I have donated, I have shared on FB... Yet I still feel helpless like I should be able to do more. Keeping you close in prayer. <3
ReplyDeleteHi Lisa,
ReplyDeleteMy name is Christina and I am reading this from British Columbia, Canada. I am not even sure how I came across your blog, but my heart goes out to your family. I have a team of prayer warriors here and I will send out a message to ask them to pray for you. And even though they (we) don't know you, they will still pray as if they do.
All the best,
~C
*hugs* You are in our thoughts and prayers.
ReplyDeleteI've been following your saga and have cried with you at each blog. You and your family, especially your children, are in my prayers!
ReplyDeleteBecki D in Broken Arrow, OK
So, so sorry the devil has thrown so many difficulties your way. I pray that God will give you wisdom to know what to do. I also pray that God will work miracles in your behalf. He is stronger than the devil. May God's comfort and strength be with you! -- Praying...
ReplyDeleteWow, so sorry the devil has thrown so many difficulties your way! I pray that God will give you wisdom to know what to do, that he will provide for your needs and the needs of your family, and that he will work miracles in your behalf. He is stronger than the devil! I pray His comfort and strength will be with you every step of the way.
ReplyDeletePraying for your whole family. I can't imagine how you must feel right now. Sorry about your sister. Praying everything in country is taking care of quickly and results are good.
ReplyDeleteMy heart has been heavy for you all day today. I'm praying that the Lord will move in a mighty way and that TB will not be the final diagnosis. Praying that doors will open that no man/woman can close and that you will get the medical clearance you need and that you'll be home safely very, very soon. Praying the Lord will carry and sustain you through this troubling time.
ReplyDeleteWOW when it rains it pours. I am new to your blog today due to a prayer request on your behalf. Please know that thousands of people around the world are praying for you and your family (including your new son.... would he be any less your son had he been born only yesterday.... I think not). I hope that you may return home with your son very soon. Sending love and prayers for you <3
ReplyDelete(Ashlee, please forgive me for plagiarizing, but your prayer has moved me to tears, and I just cannot find a better way to lift this family up. With your blessing, I will repeat.....)
ReplyDeleteDear God;
The one you love is hurting. Please heal this baby boy and allow them to come home with him, healthy and happy. Bring peace to the entire family. Be with the parents as they bury their child. Give them peace that passes all understanding and allow them to know she is with You. Bring this family financial blessings and give them a clear sense of direction as they have to make some tough decisions for their son. I pray that no matter what they decide to do that you would bless them and their decision. I pray that peoples hearts would be softened and they would be met with only compassion and understanding. I pray that they would remember that the battle is not with flesh alone and that because they entered into a covenant with you that the outcome will be good because you are on their side and You always win. I pray that all these things that are bad right now you would turn to good. I thank you for this family and their willingness to follow Your plan no matter what the cost. Bless them, hold them, give them strength and let them know you are there with them.In Jesus name Amen.
Wow, I can't imagine how difficult this must be. Praying for you.
ReplyDeleteHugs and many prayers for you all. Miracles are in the making.
ReplyDeletePrayers for all of your family...for strength and comfort for you and your parents during this time of tragic loss, and for strength and healing for little Joshua. I hope that the way will begin to clear for you so you can soon bring your precious little son home.
ReplyDeleteThinking of and praying for you...
Susan in Ky
Cousin to 2 from U.
My heart aches for you. Praying that God gives you comfort and that He moves mightily in your situation. The Lord bless you and keep you and your sweet boy until you make it home with him.
ReplyDeleteMy prayers are going out for you.
ReplyDeleteSeems to me that a couple of years ago there was a family adopting from China who went through this same exact thing (but I just can't find their blog right now.
I hope and pray for your best decisions to be made, and may you all be home together soon.
Oh, wow, I am SO SO sorry, that is so much to be dealing with! I can't even imagine how torn you feel. I am sending MANY prayers your way. I am new to your blog (we too are adopting, but from India), but we are in Arizona (Phoenix) and if you are anywhere close and we can help, please let me know!
ReplyDeleteI am praying for you. I am so sad for all you are facing right now. Wish I could be there to help somehow..I know many of us wish the same. God will lead you, it may be down to the wire but HE IS WITH YOU, SISTER!!! You have acted on behalf of the orphan and He will not neglect to see you through. You are precious to him and He will not be slow to act on your behalf. I am praying for you <3
ReplyDeleteI am following your journey and want you to know I am thinking of you daily. Love and strength to you and your family.
ReplyDeleteI posted about your situation on our blog this morning. You are NOT ALONE! Though you are walking through the darkest of valley's, God is right there with you and your RR family is NOT going to let you guys go. We are praying for you - rallying support - doing whatever we can! I wish there was more we could do.... my e-mail is covenantb@yahoo.com - Julia Nalle (adopted Aaron in fall 2010 and we too were stuck in Kiev for a week due to a paperwork foul-up)
ReplyDeletepraying sweetie!
ReplyDeletepray the dr sees the wisdom in just letting him go home where he belongs!!!
hugs!
I am originally from BC. If I can find some friends that are still there that are willing to help by bringing meals to your mom or something, would that be helpful? Please let me know ceit1776 at yahoo dot com
ReplyDeletePraying! You are wonderful people and in great sorrow...Joshua is your son and always will be your son. Cling to God and to Joshua...he will bring you comfort!
ReplyDeleteprayers to you and your family! We will pray specifically for the Lord'sclarity with regards to treatment for Joshua.
ReplyDeleteI truly do not know what to do except pray! I am also praying to St. JUDE as I have brought him with me on vacation. I sit at a resort and now am so sad. I hope this all gets resolved quickly and I am so very Sorry for your loss. Your family is also in my prayers.
ReplyDeleteYou must be doing something right for satan to be this upset! Praying for provision, peace, healing, and whatever else God already knows you need. I'm so sorry you are facing so many hurdles right now. {{{hugs}}}
ReplyDeletePraying for you - continually!
ReplyDeleteBig Huge Hugs!
Amy & Family